Post your comments on the Megamerge Dissolution Solution here. All I ask is that you read the entire article first. Don't be shy, there are no stupid questions. Yes, I know, It's the stupidest idea since the square wheel, and why don't you also lobby to megamerge the Jews and Muslims or whatever. Either that, or it's the smartest idea you've ever seen, and maybe you should read my article again with an open mind, unless you really have a better solution to give us rather than a temp fix, and can enlighten us. Posting here is the holy grail of reality checks, so go for it.
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Mauricio
05/31/2009 5:46am
I really dont know if you are seriously, really, you had just the side of an U.S. citizen and that cant be fare to give an answer for very important ,complex problem like illegal immigration. May be some day not just the American continent would be joint, but the whole world citizens got the true liberty the U.S. people talk as if they invented democracy, dont you see that your article proclaims a conquest in a peacefully way, but a conquest any way? I suppose that you never had went to México and just heard the complaints and bad moments the mexican immigrants told to you. It is true that the Mexican government and society failed to give an opportunity to those people, but us, who remained here are not all ignorant or discriminant to those who went to your yard, instead every day try to develope our lifes and improve of ours. And some of them just are a bunch of outlaws who want to make easey money without work, those whom have bad behaviour brekaing laws here and there.Really you think corruption is not within some economical or political people of U.S? how it is possible that large amount of drog was tried to get in your country if there was no consumers?and as you saw in some videos from youtube, the weapons are from your country, how is it possible all of these if there is no colluded authorities or companys from US? we as a country have a lot of defects, but we must to acquire more cultural anowkledgment of each other, the US people and the mexican, one of the first subjects you must know, is that the catolicism is not an official religion since the 19th century, we have many laws similar to you, a admit the problem is that most people dont follow them, but that is ta large history within the 20th century, Mexico was not so poor short after the WW 2, and those first field laborers went to help your country because your congress sent your people to fight, many industries growth with the war economi your politics know very well, is just that pretty much issues went bad in the administrations after WW 2 and especially within the cold war, to final this post because I have to sleep now, it is necessary to emphasize that the violence in Mexico is an answer from the new type of government who tries to stop narcotrafic and black market, perhaps it does not seem a good strategy yet, but I think is better than just do nothing, is a drug dealers-mexican gov war, no really a failed State, try to know the reasons of the problems, not just as an estadistic, but in a social and cultural structure, the economy and trade as a unique answer to development and true peace really is decaying our whole world because it is not the only answer to mankind troubles.
Greetings from Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
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bigbabyknoxgirl
07/03/2009 8:43pm
I am not sure that mega merge is the perfect idea for every one. But it is a start something has too be done. what is being done now and in the past is not working.America is falling apart at the seems and mexico has been there a long time.I have saw it with my own eyes. and as far as the drugs we will never be able to stop it.slow it down for a little while yes but never stop it.suply and demand is all that is about.there are thousand of families that are torn apart by this illegal imagration thing.If something does not happen fast my family will be one of them.I refuse to live in mexico the way it is rite now.and my husband can not stay here forever.I am trying to help him get his papers but that is a log road.the hispanic ppl should not be stopped from coming here if they wish, mexico does not stop us.human is human no mater what color there skin. god loves us all the same.mexico needs reform yesterday america needs workers and the mexican ppl will work harder then most.I say you have my vote all the way let the details be sorted out and be done but i am only one.i am going to spread the word about this site. god bless you for this and may your blessings be ten fold.dont let no one bring you down and VIVA LA RAZA <CI SE PUEDE <
I have read your Megamerge in its entirety; the following are just a few of my observations.
For the first part, one needs a firm grip on reality; moreover, to suggest that it's not the people – either Mexican or American, or it is definitely not the U.S. Government, yet rather it is the corrupt Mexican government that is the culprit of swarms of illegals coming to America like killer bees.
Hello! Hello, anybody at home? Goodness sakes you're espousing replacing the Mexican government with the U.S. government? Where have we been living for the last 56-years? All kidding and joking aside the 'inside-the-beltway-bandits-D.C. follies-lobbyists-money changers-money stealing-spend-spend-spend-clowns' have enough on their plates already.
Talk about corruption! This nation is darn near bankrupt because of government corruption; unless of course, one considers The House Bank bouncing over 30,000 checks ethical, a savings and loan fraud to beat them all, let's not forget that these people we refer to as 'elected officials' have literally gotten away with murder. Yes indeed, Mary Jo speaks volumes from the grave as does, JFK, RFK, J. Edgar Hoover, Martin Luther King, Jr., or former Senator Craig from Idaho; do you think we ought to go into names vis-a-vie infidelity and America's ruling elite?
I haven't even addressed the recent 'Mae-Mac' couple; you know the ones: Fannie and Freddy and how our government completely authorized, moreover, encouraged entire mortgage bankers to lax up the rules a bit that sent this country swirling down…Or maybe it's me….when one person and a few cronies can literally upend peoples lives for just over 70 billion dollars without any government oversight, regulation, or monitoring just seems a bit too corrupt to me. Or should we say anything about Enron and its ramifications or dare I leave out Wall Street.
These are just the obvious crimes and misdemeanors committed daily on someone at the behest of the U.S. government. Seriously now…what pops into your mind when someone says or writes: Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Whatever, Janet Reno, Nancy Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Sotomayor, and hate filled Berkeley, California? Kind of reminds me of the 'hope' that Pat Schroder was supposed to bring to Colorado!
Now then…of the second part, just how much of Mexico is inhabitable? Approximately one-half or more of the total country is arid desert without water or any such infrastructure that even suggests that there will be habitable lands. Furthermore, what are you thinking…that Mexico just wants to lay down and be totally annexed to America?
We can assure you that the people of Mexico do not want a red, white, and blue flag flying high above the UN-fruited plains. And do I believe that the USA is ready for hostilities and a violent struggle to obtain Mexico? Seriously, if you're going to come up with theories, axioms, or philosophies about the 'if it feels good do it' mantra of the 1970s well, I suppose there are worse things to think about.
Yet, nothing in your comment on my site (onemorecup.wordpress.com) The Thinker, or on your site does it mention anything about 'national sovereignty' or that maybe there are folks who are not into the notion of making either a bigger America or getting rid of her borders.
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TL Winslow
07/16/2009 9:20pm
The corruption of the U.S. is a drop in the bucket compared to Mexico, and is based on the fact that the U.S. has a $12 trillion a year GDP to try to grab a piece of without working, whereas in Mexico their GDP is languishing at only $1 trillion. The very greed that drives Americans, at all levels, will be useful in developing Mexico so that its GDP will multiply, after which there will always be sharks and barracudas trying to scoop up a slice, but even now a lion's share of Mexico's GDP goes into the pockets of a tiny elite, way out of proportion to what is seen in the U.S., so we kill two birds with one stone by megamerging.
The Mexican govt. is tottering on the brink of collapse, and if you suggest that it will be a problem to dissolve it if, first, the U.S. Congress formally invites the Mexican people to join the U.S., and second, the people approve the idea, you need to tell me, like I said in my article, who will seriously want to hole-up in the mountains and fight not to be a free U.S. citizen with the ability to travel and live anywhere in its 4.55 million sq. mi. and send their kids to Disney World, Stanford or Aspen. About three people.
As to the U.S. not wanting to expand, you don't speak for it do you. Nor do I, that's why I published my article, to start a debate and hopefully spread the idea until it proves irresistible and happens. I'm not a politician, and don't want to work for the government, just interest politicians in it and try to keep them from corrupting it if I can. Yes, it is shocking at first, mainly because it jars your racist assumptions, but I think I am reaching you and you are waking up to see that the U.S. and Mexico can become a model for the region and the world, with nothing sacrificed of real value, and the U.S. itself made bigger and better for our grandkids. So 100-odd million Americans will start out speaking Spanish and be backward hicks like the Beverly Hillbillies, economics not politics or govt. laws should dictate who speaks what, peacefully, and I'm sure English is here to stay.
Ciao.
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American
07/29/2009 8:31pm
You are a complete fool.
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Gypsy
07/30/2009 12:20am
Give it up, crackpot. You're doing nothing that our government hasn't already been working on for years. It's the North American Union you're trying to sell only tweaked a bit to make it look like you're a visionary. Americans will never agree to this and the ones who do are letting their fears overcome their common sense. Anything that takes the US borders away and makes our states intermingle with other countries is only designed to take away what freedom we have left. You are committing treason by selling this crap to people. Once again, go back and tell your people they have failed. I'm giving you credit here by saying you even have "people" who put you up to this. If you are not affiliated with anyone, you're just a loon and are harming this country with your b.s. You won't even have the balls to put put this post on your board.
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jimmy
08/14/2009 11:41am
You can't be serious. This is about as stupid as it gets.
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Steve Hammond
08/19/2009 9:18am
"Mr. Polk's War" or the U.S. Mexican war ended with Mexico ceding more than half a million miles in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago. The U.S. assumed all outstanding claims U.S. citizens had against Mexico and paid Mexico 15 million dollars in the agreement. They lost and the treaty was agreed to and signed...end of story.
Your merging dreams will not work. It would be like England to demand merging the thirteen original states back into the English Empire.
Also, it is worth mentioning -- amnesty is on Obama's agenda. I know it and so do many other Americans. It is being brought up in the town hall meetings happening even now. The Democrat's won't even admit to the Amnesty (if memory serves it was during Reagan's term) we already had. So this would be round two and of course everyone including the illegals who will rush here to get in on the round three knows it will be pushed for down the road! What happened to enforcing immigration law and controlling our borders? So if they hold town hall meetings while trying to shove THAT down America's throat -- be prepared for even more and greater disruptions! DEPORT the ILLEGALS and make them apply to EMIGRATE.
1. "Your merging dreams will not work. It would be like England to demand merging the thirteen original states back into the English Empire."
What English Empire? I guess you haven't been keeping up with history :)
It is nothing like that. You can only do a megamerge with a neighboring country that has no natural barriers, only a line drawn on a map. And they have to accept living under your constitution and dissolving their govt. Obviously you didn't read my article before commenting, so why tell you I already mentioned England and Scotland, which did megamerge in 1707, and then partially unmegamerged in 1997 but not totally. The U.K. doesn't have the U.S. Constitution, and my plan is all about preserving it sans white supremacy and Anglophile B.S., and it will be a new model for the world, showing that sad racism can be overcome and that the U.S. deserves to thrive.
"Also, it is worth mentioning -- amnesty is on Obama's agenda. I know it and so do many other Americans. It is being brought up in the town hall meetings happening even now. The Democrat's won't even admit to the Amnesty (if memory serves it was during Reagan's term) we already had. So this would be round two and of course everyone including the illegals who will rush here to get in on the round three knows it will be pushed for down the road!"
How white of you to put it that way. Of course it's in the news all the time that Obama is going to work for a general amnesty for the 12M+ Mexicans early next year, don't you keep up with the news? I think it would be a waste of time since he should instead ask Congress to formally invite all the Mexican people to dissolve their ever-corrupt govt. and unite with the U.S. permanently as the "51st state", after which the border will go poof and "gringos" can move down south too sans passports. What are you racists planning on doing if you can't stop the amnesty? You'll have to call them illegal immigrants sir and maam :) Are you planning a separatist whites-only state where you'll become the illegal aliens? :)
"What happened to enforcing immigration law and controlling our borders? So if they hold town hall meetings while trying to shove THAT down America's throat -- be prepared for even more and greater disruptions! DEPORT the ILLEGALS and make them apply to EMIGRATE."
Now I know you didn't read my article before commenting. And that's immigrate not emigrate.
All racism and bigotry are so sad, don't you agree? Don't bother.
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Daniel
09/10/2009 2:27am
It's pretty late so I didn't read every word of the article but I did read about 80% of it. I think you've got an interesting idea and I applaud you for putting it out here on the net for people to absorb and discuss.
The immigration issue is definitely a problem in the US right now. Some people say that it's a huge financial problem or a crime problem but I think the biggest problem is all the hate that it is causing. I don't think it's all that likely that the Mexican govt. or people would be willing to become part of the U.S. but if they were, I do think this would be a step in the right direction. I still hold out hope for the Mexican people and govt. figuring it out on their own and that would be great to see too. But if they'd be willing to join the U.S., then why not.
I get your point that "Gypsy" didn't about this idea not doing away with the U.S. Borders, just moving the southern one.
I think another idea that would go along way towards alleviating the problems in Mexico and along the border would be for the U.S to legalize all drugs.If Americans were free to make and grow their own drugs, then we wouldn't see it coming in from Mexico illegally or all the drug wars down there for control of the business. This would greatly reduce the crimes committed in the U.S. by the criminal element from Mexico thereby decreasing some of the hatred towards Mexicans.
Great work, thanks for sharing it.
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Mr Kreuz
09/21/2009 4:41pm
A megamerge would benefit us because the border, that would have to be patrolled, would shrink by about 1/4th(?).
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garste
09/22/2009 8:48pm
Finanlly! Fresh ideas about immigration. I think a megamerge just might work. If you can get folks on board.... The easiest part would be getting the Mexican people to agree. The Mexican government is so corrupt the majority of it's citizens have no choice but to leave the country in order to provide basic necessities for their families. Why wouldn't they agree? The big challenge is getting folks from the US to agree. In the near future white folks in the US will be the minority. That scares the hell out of some people. Many are racists or xenophobes but many are just regular folks who aren't comfortable with change. Anything new and different is uncomfortable for them. White people in the US have always been the majority and they've for the most part always called the shots. They have mistreated every minority at some point throughout our young history. Blacks, Native Americans, Italians, Chinese, you name it, they've taken abuse from "white America". That being said, it's easy to see why our dark skinned, Spanish speaking, Mexican neighbors seem like such a threat. I say bring it on. We might learn something new ....maybe even become a bilingual nation. The more we can learn from each other the stronger we are as a country!
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TL Winslow
09/22/2009 10:11pm
To "garste":
Yes, the most scary thing about a megamerge is diluting the percentage of "white" in the total U.S. pop. - in tables. Actually, nobody's going to get killed, just get reclassified and move around, as the 110M Mexicans are already "here", behind a line drawn on a map, and whites will finally be free to move down south just like the Mexicans have been moving north, so everybody will have more lebensraum and freedom to pick their associations, thus it's win-win not lose-win or lose-lose.
To answer "Mr Kreuze": huh? Is there something about 1,969 miles you don't understand? That much border will go poof, and 110M potential illegal aliens will become U.S. citizens. Yes, there will be 5.8K mi. of new border to patrol, but it's mainly seabound, which is easier since people can't just walk through a fence or swim a river but have to take a boat or plane over a long distance of water, and that border is already being patrolled nicely by the existing Mexican govt. so it should be no sweat for the U.S. govt. The U.S. will become a global island, with the only remaining major land border being the one with Canada, but that's never been a problem, except with pesky al-Qaida terrorists :) Guatemala and Belize have smaller borders with Mexico, and I'm sure they will soon want to megamerge anyway to help get rid of the drug lords who fled there.
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Jim
09/26/2009 10:48pm
This Gringo doesn't want any part of this merging. I dont want Mexico turned into an American cesspool and destroyed. It will bring increased population and crime and out of control prices. Outside the border areas, Mexico and it's people are beautiful, life is slow and easy. Aside from some pick-pockets and stuff in the tourist towns, Mexico is crime free from my 10 years of going down. You can apply for legal residency and they won't tax you on your personal belongings and 1 car per person. Plus as a resident, they allow you to get into the government health system. I'm 50 and it will cost me $166 a year and it pays for everything. Taxes and government regulation are limited. I say keep the money grubbing American way of life, government intervention and it's millions of useless laws north of the border.
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TL Winslow
09/27/2009 7:17am
"Jim":
Your paternalistic love and concern for the Mexican people in not wanting them to be U.S. citizens like you is touching - not. Too bad, I want to let them decide that, not you.
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TL Winslow
09/27/2009 11:17am
Seriously, "Jim", why would anybody want to spoil the great deal gringos have in being able to go down to Mexico and live like kings on a dime? What do young juicy hos go for nowadays, a bar of soap or a pack of cigs? A houseful of servants for $100 a month maybe? If they try moving to expensive El Norte, though, the gloves come off? No wonder Mexicans have so many grudges. Sorry, I think they should not only be U.S. citizens with the vote, but receive protection of all U.S. laws including the federal minimum wage.
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WorldBankPuppet
10/07/2009 12:05pm
What a great idea...if your a world bank puppet. In the name of human migration you're only encouraging criminal activity. Yes, that 1st step across the border you think is to freedom is only the 1st step to criminal activity. Yes the abuser rarely knows that they are abusive. And then you won't speak English and don't want to learn and assimilate. I say we pass a constitutional amendment sending all the illegals (there not even immigrants) and their children back to where ever they came. If I were a foreigner in a foreign country I would be very scared to speak a foreign language out of fear that you will be rounded up, imprisoned and relocated. Then there's the little problem of Al Queda in Mexico that would be able to move around more freely. Not workable.
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JRC
11/01/2009 12:48am
You are very racist in your sarcasm. It's funny how white Americans look down upon Mexicans, yet it was their own doing that placed Mexico in the place that it is. You come from Europe, steal our lands, kill our people, and strip us of our culture. Then, once you have the land, gold, and possessions, you try to feed it back to us bit-by-bit, and we supposed to be thankful that you're giving us back what you stole from us? This is what you're doing with immigration. You stole our lands and not allowed us to live where we created a home. Then when you allow us to enter our lands again, we supposed to be thankfu. You call us dirty, stupid, wet backs. But let me ask you something: Who created the most accurate calendar in the world? Who invented chocolate, vanilla, and bubble gum? Who TRULY invented basketball and soccer? Who had advanced astronomy? Who independently invented the concept of zero? Who independently invented paper? Who had advanced mathematics? Who understood physics so well that the ball courts created had perfect acoustics from one end to the other and that a European tried to discover the physical properties of such brilliant acoustics and failed? Who created the most complex writing system in the world that baffled archeologist for centuries? Who created magnificent cities filled with towering pyramids amidst lakes and agriculture that "seemed like a dream" (a paraphrase from Cortes himself) when Europeans were living in wood stick huts and dirt roads? The ancestors of Mexicans that's who. The Mayans and Aztecs. Not Greece, Rome, or Egypt had as many accomplishments as the Mayans. We were and are unparalled. It is the invasion of the Anglo-Saxon whites and their deliberate attempt to erase these people from this world that have placed us in this perceived position of inferiority. But you know and your ancestors knew that were not inferior. In fact, we are superior. And that is why Europeans razed all cultures in the Americas. They just couldn't bear the realization that there were people more superior than them.
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TL Winslow
11/01/2009 5:59am
I thought you were trying to diss me for being a racist :) Now why don't you try reading the whole article, where I explain how we're all here to stay and it's time to get past racism and learn to share the New World as equal partners.
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JMKO
11/20/2009 8:51pm
Ok, First of all, I'm Mexican and I live in my country.
I don't know how to start, maybe for the beginning. Good alternative.
I think the first think to the U.S. government should do is really educate their people about Mexico.
We know in Mexico to the Americans think to Mexico is a paradise of crime where people ride donkeys and live in unpaved towns, like the hollywood films shows all the time, sorry but we definitely cease to live in that way 100 years ago, please someone tell hollywood about. ;)
We have many things in common. 1. We both are federal republics 2. We both have federal states, 31 states with constitutions, different laws in each state.. YEAH MEXICO IS NOT A SINGLE STATE. 3. Mexico is a Union, Mexican states can secede from the federation at any time. Although the constitution of 1917 says that Mexico is indivisible, the constitutions of the states are still attached to the 1824 contitution, the states retain the right to secede when the people decide. 4. The Mexican Constitution says that the power is in the people and they can dissolve or change their form of government at any time.
Mr. Winslow, something I can assure you, uniting Mexico as 10 states will never be accepted, each and every one of the 31 states of Mexico won their right to be states in the bloody wat and each state is different from the other, as well as California would never join with Arizona, in Mexico, Yucatan will never join with Campeche.
I do not know why Americans think that by joining with Mexico, just all Mexicans will move to live in USA, NO WAY, Mexicans do not leave their land by choice, if here most people have the life standards of Americans, they NEVER would leave the country, remember that we are 110 million Mexicans who do not want to live in America, so we stay here.
By the way, someone wrote that more than half of Mexico is arid and uninhabitable, that's a great stupidity and a lie, there is no specific data about that, but according to the INEGI, that is what makes the polls in the country, 70% of Mexico is not inhabited and the country could safely maintain a population of 500 million people.
For now is all and I wish to make a reflection and say something I think will happen in the not too distant future.
If Mexico and the U.S. do not unite, the two countries will disappear and many smaller countries will were created from the remains of both of them.
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TL Winslow
11/20/2009 9:39pm
To JMKO:
I'm glad some people from Mexico are reading it when I don't have a Spanish translation yet.
First, do you presume to speak for the people of Mexico? Why not let them decide? It's called a plebiscite or referendum. Contrary to what you say, millions of Mexicans don't want to live in Mexico, that's why they moved to the U.S. permamently and clamored for citizenship, and of course there's millions more now and will be even more in the future. My proposal is to make Mexico a sector of the U.S. so that there will no longer be a dilemma for them, but in return the people of Mexico have to accept gringos moving there if they want. The first step is for the U.S. Congress to officially invite them, which is the hardest part because of 160 years of white supremacy that I'm hoping they will finally get over, stay tuned.
As to each of the 31 states wanting to retain its identity, maybe they will, maybe they won't, again let them decide by voting. As I pointed out, the U.S. Congress probably won't want more than 25 new states since each gets a senator that has an equal vote with the current 50 states, and they won't want them to collectively have more than 1/3 of the vote. But then, I also said it's negotiable, once the process gets that far. Remember that the ethnic mix will change as mass 2-way migration happens, so all the old rivalries will become history.
My analysis of the poor agricultural quality of Mexico's territory is well known and well documented, do I have to look it up for you? Maybe I will, give me a little time. Of course irrigation can increase the amount of available farmland, but that's the point, when it's part of the U.S. and resources are pooled, all the territory will finally be developed and rise out of the Third World level it's now stuck in. U.S. farmers are the world's most productive, and want to keep it that way.
Finally, rather than my proposal being for some distant future if at all, it actually can be done as early as 2010-1. Look how fast Pres. Bush decided to invade Iraq and force a regime change. Not that I want a military takeover, but in the Internet Age things can happen quite fast. The alternative is to keep the current border and all its endless problems, do you really want that? Do you really want to lose the chance of U.S. citizenship if it comes with the option of living in former Mexico if you want? Why can't Mexican be a lifestyle or subculture instead of its own country? It can, heard the saying less is more?
Ciao,
TLW
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Clark
11/23/2009 11:55pm
Hi, I think your idea is good and bad same time
Do you really think that Mexicans are going to give up its flag, anthem and country.
Do you forget that it is a country that fought for independence, and their war took 11 years and was much more bloody, painful and courageous than American.
Mexicans are very proud, you don't realize they are the only minority in America that doesn't lower the head, or feel less like black people.
Do you forget that they feel they are entitled to live in America because our government stole the best part of his country with a war that now we all know was unfair and unjustified. (God bless History Channel)
I confess, I thought Mexico was like we were taught in our country, but this year I lived in Mexico (In the state of Yucatan) for 5 months and really is very different to what we believe is, is a beautiful country, people are the best, they love their country, flag and history.
There are many foreigners living in Mexico and they are very kind to immigrants and believe it or not they have nearly 10 million illegals in their country and never complain about.
In my experience you could swear they would never accept to be part of the United States, would rather starve.
But if you mention the word Union things change, they agree to join the United States and Canada but never renounced their country.
I found that in wikipedia, in the page 51st state check it out. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/US-Mexico_Union.PNG
bye.
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TL Winslow
11/24/2009 6:41am
To Clark,
If you're saying that most Mexicans are racists or diehard nationalists that would rather starve and keep their corrupt govt. and its establishment of the Catholic religion and other retro institutions than join the U.S. even if they were officially invited with open arms by Congress, then I guess my proposal whicht requires them to accept it via a referendum or plebiscite will be a non-starter. If they reject it, it will be their biggest mistake, and the consequences will be bad until they change their minds, check some of the videos in the video lounge. Still, let's ask them to decide and not speculate, okay?
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Cathy
01/07/2010 2:48pm
Ha! You sure do know how to wrap a pretty package in order for an attempted sale, I will hand that to you.
As a middle aged white woman I think I can see right through your little package. You want us to think the merge would be good for us and for Mexico, but I have to tell you, I see way too many holes in your plan.
For starters since when did the white man ever go to a country to HELP unless there was a profit behind it? America's politicians couldn't care less about the lives of Mexicans unless it lines their pockets. Right, let's make it a state and the whites can move their and sit up businesses, YOUR words, not mine. Again, it sounds like the white man is wanting another man's land, money, homes, goods, sea ports, etc.
Another reason-- most of the Mexicans I have met have a hateful attitude. They have no problem letting us know what they think of America. I for one don't want to coddle some hateful person who comes here and demands to fly their flags and receive welfare and free hospitalization. They have just too much crassness and arrogance for me, and what surprises me is they have NOTHING to be arrogant about! Most are uneducated, most believe in fairy tales (christians) most hate whites....No, I will continue to support NumbersUSA.
I hate to remind you, but most Americans appreciate LAW abiding people, and the moment they cross that border they are ILLEGAL ALIENS and should be placed in JAIL.
So YOU go on down there and start YOUR business and let us Americans live in America, and the Mexicans need to live in Mexico and fight their OWN people, and their OWN government.
My brother married a mexican about 30 years ago, she is one hateful bitoch and it would be nice to send her to Mexico:o)especially since NOT ONE PERSON in our family likes her. Maybe it's her 'tude' :o)
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TL Winslow
01/07/2010 5:51pm
Cathy,
All racism is so sad, white or brown. Why not try to rise above it for once and see that the MMDS is a win-win situation, with something to gain on both sides. That's why it's the only permanent solution. Hate is easy, but solves nothing. My solution ends the hate, at least with our children and grandchildren.
Ciao.
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Luis
01/08/2010 1:52pm
Your article is, no offense, one of the most stupid articles I've ever read. You have serious issues. Your arrogance and haughtiness has no equal.
One more thing, the ideas of your much-vaunted article -the panacea of the new world- must be re-ordered for the sake of clarity. The mixture of nothing but personal opinions, pipe dreams and facts is not a good combination. You should stop smoking that shit.
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Omar
01/24/2010 7:13pm
Hello.
I am a Mexican. Born and raised in Mexico.
I’ve read your article and I have to say you make some interesting points, but in general your whole idea of merging Mexico and the U.S.A. and thinking everything would work out just fine is a little naïve.
I think many Mexicans would love the idea of the American government inviting them to merge with the U.S.A., but many others wouldn’t like it.
Many Mexicans have a good impression of the U.S.A. and Americans, especially northern Mexicans, since many of them get to travel from time to time to southern U.S.A. and appreciate by themselves the life standards Americans have achieved: good public institutions that actually work, laws that are applied equally for everyone, not matter if you can afford buying some “justice” or not, better economic expectations, and so on. Plus many Mexicans admire the American mentality regarding order, service, cleanliness, justice, completion of duties, quality, and in general how things should be done.
Personally, I would like to enjoy the comforts of living in a territory ruled by American law and run by American government and institutions.
Some Mexicans do have grudges about Americans, but not as many as you may think.
It’s true, Americans took more than half of Mexico by force 160 years ago and some Mexicans are mistreated when they try to cross to the U.S.A. by the Border Patrol or racist landowners, but I think many of the grudges some Mexicans have about Americans were actually nourished by the Mexican government in an attempt to throw a smoky bomb to distract the people from the real cause of our problems, trying to use the poor-us!-first-we-get-our-gold-robbed-by-the-Spaniards-then-half-of-our-country-stolen-by-the-Gringos argument as a scapegoat for all the social problems in Mexico, which were caused by the negligence of the corrupt elite which has ruled Mexico for centuries. But that’s a whole different story.
Back to the merge thing, there would be really Serious (that’s right, with a capital “s”) difficulties dealing with the reluctant Mexican government, which would not, for any reason, be willing the give their elite benefits away just for the well being of the Mexican people, even if that meant dragging the whole country to some bloody hellish war before Mexicans can dream of having better life expectations (how dare they!). Not to mention the masses of idiotic, brain-washed, uneducated fools taking the streets blindly convinced by some fucking lidercillo “popular” (makes a lot more sense in Spanish) that the Gringos are trying to fool them and make them slave (which they already are, but to other lords), or the armies of brainless primates led by some socialist wannabe, 34-year old college “student” to fight the “ambitions of the American Empire.”
Even when many Mexicans (the ones that do use their brains and don’t buy that it’s-the-Gringos’-fault-that-we’re-doomed crap) would like to merge, they would have to struggle against the idiots previously mentioned. Not a minor issue to be considered.
There’s also the triviality of sending the merging message to the masses of Mexicans who don’t even have the most basic services, such as electricity, let alone Internet.
Putting the Mexican difficulties aside, merging would be great for Mexicans, but as for Americans I’m not so sure.
Your argument of merging with Mexico in order to live in a terrorist-proof island sounds childish. Grow up.
And about your other arguments (old-states Americans moving to former Mexico and bringing their Midas touch with them to turn all what was bad and backwards into good and modern and blah blah blah), I’m still not convinced it’s going to work that way.
Don’t get me wrong, I do think the American government is way much better and fairer than the Mexican government, but I just don’t share that naive (and sometimes blind and ignorant) enthusiasm many hardcore Muricans have about it, so I don’t think that if injustices (to any party) happened when merging, the American government (and the Murican way) would automatically and willfully correct and erase them, since it’s so perfect and flawless.
There are other countries which have developed good governments too and some actually have better life standards than the U.S.A.
As for whether Americans would go for the merging or not, I think the opinions stated by your countrymen here speak for themselves.
In conclusion, I believe it’s a good idea (at least for Mexicans!), but it could only happen in a fantasy world or in the future, when conditions are more favorable. You need to consider thoroughly the real difficulties.
Here are some recommendations and/or comments for/about your article:
1. Show numbers and data. I you want to convince people about the
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TL Winslow
01/24/2010 7:38pm
Omar,
I've thought it all through quite thoroughly, and know it will work, but yes, much work remains to be done to make it happen. I still don't have anybody to translate the proposal article into good Mexican Spanish, would you like to try? Really, if the U.S. govt. can be convinced to do it, the chances are very high because they will know to work around the Mexican govt. if it shows signs of being badasses about it, and have the carrot-stick of offering amnesty to Mexican officials from prosecution for all their past crimes for cooperating, plus these same dudes will no doubt think they can become part of the new govt. system, and will want to look like good guys to future voters. As to the masses being ignorant and too dumb to understand it, I think they're actually quite smart and will vote overwhelmingly for it in a plebiscite or referendum when given the chance.
And no, it's no pipe dream that enlarging the U.S. border will make it safer, just recently there have been articles about Chinese coming in via the leaky border, along with fears of al-Qaida. Maybe I should update it to mention that once all 414 million of us are fellow citizens, we will get to decide as a group what new immigration policy to have. Oh, I think I did :)
So, why not try dreaming about the new megamerged U.S. and when you see the vision clearly help me make it happen? Like anything new, there's inertia and resistance to change. Yet one day, people will think it's always been that way :) In this Internet Age, it can be done in a matter of years, granted it will take a full generation to iron out the kinks.
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Omar
02/01/2010 10:17am
Wow, I just finished reading your "A Quick 'History' of Islam" article.
You are one SICK FUCK.
"... funny what 'ill' means in God's real language English..."
I realize now of your underlaying thoughts about having Mexico and its nasty Catholic Spanish-speaking population merged with the USA: "better having these damn beaners living with us than jeopardizing national security... because Osama is coming! Oh my God protect us from them Muslim baddies! I know you're on our side, after all 'In God we trust' and 'God bless America', right?"
Your sickfuckness gives me second thoughts about living in a country full of fundamentalist brain-washed christian fucks.
By the way, you're full of shit. I found dozens of "historical facts" to be lies in both your articles (Megamerge and Islam), Vandalusia and Green-grow just to mention a couple of them.
Historyscoper my ass!
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Historyscoper
02/01/2010 10:50am
[[By the way, you're full of shit. I found dozens of "historical facts" to be lies in both your articles Megamerge and Islam), Vandalusia and Green-grow just to mention a couple of them.]]
1. The word gringo comes from Mexicans overhearing gringos singing "Green Grow the Hollies", or Rushes, according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo
2. The word Andalusia likely comes from the period when the Vandals occupied the area, according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
Me: 2. You: 0. So it's you who are full of it, sorry, it must be hard having to live in your mind. Got any more or do you concede you're FOS? :)
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Omar
02/01/2010 2:38pm
"...Me:2. You: 0..." not quite.
About Andalucía: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaluc%C3%ADa
"...La etimología que hace derivar Andalucía de Vandalia (tierra de los vándalos), muy difundida a partir del siglo XVI, no goza en la actualidad de crédito científico alguno...."
It's in Spanish, but "...no goza... crédito científico..." is easy to understand for most people who can speak a Latin-influenced language of the Western Hemisphere.
On gringo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo
"...The word is first attested in Terreros y Pando's Diccionario castellano con las voces de Ciencias y Artes y sus correspondientes en las 3 lenguas francesa, latina e italiana in 1786, which says: gringos llaman en Málaga a los extranjeres que tienen cierta especie de acento, que los priva de una locución fácil y natural Castellana; y en Madrid dan el mismo nombre con particularidad a los irlandeses
'gringos' is what they call foreigners who have a certain kind of accent which prevents them from speaking easy and natural Castillian; and in Madrid they give the same name in particular to the Irish[3
Most scholars agree that gringo is a variant of griego 'Greek' (cf. Greek to me);but it has also been argued that griego > gringo is phonetically unlikely, and that it may instead come from the language of the Spanish Romani, Caló, as a variant of (pere)gringo 'wayfarer, stranger'..."
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Historyscoper
02/01/2010 3:10pm
Scientific? When it comes to history, we go by historical facts, not scientific anything. Are you too dumb to switch to a language you don't understand when using Wiki? Try
In my historyscope, I don't try to settle historical disputes, only teach history ignoramuses where to find facts and let them decide. I always give alternative theories when they matter to the historscope at that point, and the only alternative theory on Andalus is that it's Atlantis :). I also love anything that has a mnemonic value so they will have less trouble memorizing the facts, and Vandalusia is priceless.
Ditto gringo. Nobody knows where it comes from, but Henry VIII's hit song Green Grow the Hollies goes back to the 1500s and it makes sense that it spread throughout Europe and was still sung by Euros who went to fight in Mexico in the 1800s in various forms, and their Mexican enemy scouts would hear it being sung and report back about the gringos. The Greek theory sucks eggplant, unless Mexicans were so dumb they thought they came from Greece :)
Too bad you want to go too deep into trivia rather than follow the path I have laid out of learning a broad section of world history first. Hopefully more people out there will follow the instructions :)
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Omar
02/01/2010 5:22pm
"...Scientific? When it comes to history, we go by historical facts, not scientific anything..."
Yes: scientific. Related to science, like Linguistics.
"...Are you too dumb to switch to a language you don't understand when using Wiki?..."
??????
¿Un idioma que no entiendo?
I searched for the term in Spanish since that's my native language (but I can speak English and German as well) and because in the Spanish language article there's a specific sentence which states that "...La etimología que hace derivar Andalucía de Vandalia (tierra de los vándalos), muy difundida a partir del siglo XVI, no goza en la actualidad de crédito científico alguno...", which translated into English means "...The etymology that makes Andalusia derive from Vandalia (land of the Vandals), very widespread since the 16th century, does not enjoy of any scientific credit nowadays..."
I looked for that specific sentence in the English language article (I tried to give you references in English, since I don't know if you speak a language other than that) but I didn't find it, though the article didn't mention anything about Vandalia or Vandalusia either.
By the way, the article in the link you posted yourself disregards the Vandalusia etymology theory: "...The name 'Andalusia' or 'Vandalusia' was traditionally believed to be derived from 'Vandal' (the Germanic tribe that colonized parts of Iberia from 407 to 429), however, there is no historical reference to support this..."
"... I always give alternative theories when they matter to the historscope at that point..."
So, I'm guessing by "alternative" you mean "half-assed".
"...Ditto gringo. Nobody knows where it comes from...The Greek theory sucks eggplant, unless Mexicans were so dumb they thought they came from Greece :)..."
Whether you like it or not, people have found that the word "gringo" appeared first in 1786, which happened a little earlier than the Mexican-American war, like in "...Most scholars agree that gringo is a variant of griego 'Greek' (cf. Greek to me); but it has also been argued that griego > gringo is phonetically unlikely, and that it may instead come from the language of the Spanish Romani, Caló, as a variant of (pere)gringo 'wayfarer, stranger'"
Watch the scholars part.
"...Too bad you want to go too deep into trivia rather than follow the path I have laid out of learning a broad section of world history first..."
Maybe, but "if this guy is writing bullshit about this, maybe he's also writing bullshit about this and that..."
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Historyscoper
02/01/2010 6:48pm
Your learned b.s. is all very nice, but does nothing for my articles. You admit that for centuries scholars went with the Vandal origin of the word Andalusia. It's not etymological? Hey, there's a language warp to Arabic, and it's quite possible etymologically. So what's a viable alternative theory? Don't have one, do you? For my article, the emphasis is on finding ways to make history ignoramuses quickly learn a fact in order to build a map in their mind, after which they can come back and go deeper and dip into issues like this, without changing the map itself that I built.
As to gringo, despite what Wiki says, it's not even considered an authority. Did you write it? :) But for my article that is for popular consumption, do you want me to change my cool gringo explanation to claim that Mexicans are so stupid they think English and Irish are Greeks? Maybe white supremacists will use that now, if they already don't :). If gringos called Mexicans Greeks they would be lampooned as ignoramuses. Even worse if they got if from Spanish gypsies (Romani), since wayfarer refers to the gypsies themselves probably, and the Anglos weren't wayfarers, they ran Norte America and were busy stealing half of Mexico to exclude Mexicans as inferior. And no, the word gringo didn't "first appear" in 1786, that's all the author of the article you read can find. More importantly, he didn't prove it was the same as the word used in Mexico and which became popular, which could and most likely did evolve separately just the way I said. I know because I've come up across it many times in my Historyscoping. Henry VIII beats 1738 by 200 years. Illiterate Mexican soldiers don't read books in the first place, but they can hear gringos singing while they hide in the dark. Being illiterate, they didn't write down how they came up with their word, they just started using it and it made sense so it became accepted. Why were they such morons they couldn't just call them Anglos? Obviously they heard them loudly singing the word gringo and it would be the first label they would latch onto, sorry.
So what's your real beef? You know about two teaspoons of history and will never learn the broad history I teach and want to waste my time? And you called me full of shit? You've proved you are. And you have contributed nothing here or anywhere, have you? If so, what?
Like I asked earlier, you claimed there were DOZENS OF LIES, a very strong word, a fighting word, so where's the beef, taco breath? You speak Mexican and call yourself Omar? What's your real name? Why hide, you're a world renowned scholar right? :) You also called me a sick fuck, so your later serious responses that maxed your limited IQ out make you look like the sick fuck who's ipso facto contradicting himself :)
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Omar
02/01/2010 11:56pm
"...For my article, the emphasis is on finding ways to make history ignoramuses quickly learn a fact in order to build a map in their mind..."
Oh if making ignorants learn fast is the ultimate goal then I guess lying is OK.
"...As to gringo, despite what Wiki says, it's not even considered an authority..."
Between you, me, and Wikipedia those guys are the closest thing to an authority. Plus, they do happen to include (valid) references in their articles.
"...But for my article that is for popular consumption, do you want me to change my cool gringo explanation to claim that Mexicans are so stupid they think English and Irish are Greeks?..."
Please don't! If changing it jeopardizes the coolness of your article, then to Hell with that! No matter if your explanation is based on pop bullshit.
By the way, I never wrote anything about Mexicans believing that Americans were Greek. You totally twisted what the Wikipedia article stated.
Here's another article, anyway: http://etimologias.dechile.net/?gringo
There was an old saying in Latin which was "graecum est; non potest legi" ("it's Greek; it can't be read"). People in Hispania (nowadays Spain) spoke Latin. The saying (and the language itself) eventually evolved into Spanish's "es griego; no se puede leer" which later degenerated into "es 'gringo'; no se puede leer". Since that proverb was used to express that something was unknown, unfamiliar or difficult to understand (such as a foreign language, like German or English, especially if you're a Romance-language speaking Spaniard), "gringo" came to be related with something "foreign" (in nowadays Mexico the equivalent is "it's in Chinese", to express something is difficult to understand or do). Needless to say that Mexicans speak Spanish and use Spanish proverbs (some old ones are remembered, some others aren't). So, why wouldn't a Mexican call an American "gringo"? What was more foreign near Mexico than an English-speaking white guy?
The term is also used in some other Latin American countries and it can also refer to Germans, Englishmen, Europeans or even Mexicans (in Brazil).
"...Illiterate Mexican soldiers don't read books in the first place, but they can hear gringos singing while they hide in the dark..."
So, that would mean that those Mexican soldiers wouldn't know what a dog is since they wouldn't be able to read the word "dog"? Wouldn't it be possible that they had heard the word "dog" before in their lives and remember what it meant (like in "gringo")?
By 1786 the word had made it to the dictionary, that means some people must have been uttering it for a while before that.
"...Like I asked earlier, you claimed there were DOZENS OF LIES, a very strong word, a fighting word, so where's the beef, taco breath?..."
There are LITERALLY dozens of lies in your articles. I've proved you wrong twice already and in one occasion with a link you posted yourself to an article, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time debating with a numbnuts who seems to be one awful loser who won't accept he's been owned (twice!) and move on with his life.
"...You speak Mexican and call yourself Omar? What's your real name? Why hide, you're a world renowned scholar right?..."
My name is Omar, so... I must be some Muslim who's trying to take over Murica by showing its most venerable prophet (Big IQ Winslow) as a liar, right? Grow up.
"... You also called me a sick fuck, so your later serious responses that maxed your limited IQ out make you look like the sick fuck who's ipso facto contradicting himself..."
You are, without a doubt, one sick religious fuck. There's no contradiction. Deal with it.
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Historyscoper
02/02/2010 8:27am
Thanks anyway, Omar. It gave me a chance to update the Wiki article with the truth about gringo. No wonder the article has a warning that it's disputed :) Still, I think I'll update my Megamerge article to add the Greek theory, and see how long it takes for a white supremacist to mock Mexicans for calling them Greeks, then how long it takes to discover these messages :) So, the original use of gringo in 1846-8 to mock invading whites with a loaded racial epithet is actually harmless, meaning only they don't speak their language, and would apply to Brazilians too. Great, I guess all them Mexicans who meant it as a racial epithet are double dumbasses, and you are telling them that. Not that the gringo word has any power to offend whites anymore, it's actually used by everybody and has lost its heat anyway, so when you see white supremacists call Mexicans gringos you'll have to compliment them. Since Mexicans back in the 1840s were mainly illiterate peasants, they could never have written down where their word came from, I'm sure it wasn't a dictionary, and we can't turn the calendar back and see what would happen if them gringos was singing Gray Grow the Holly, and if they would have started calling them graygos :) I'm sure that is really griego too :) Your whole approach is called folk etymology, but it doesn't rely on historical facts from the people you're trying to frame, but on materials 50 years earlier in another location. But I'm putting it in just for you since it bothers you so much and you want everybody to know that gringo means Greek but the Mexicans were too stupid to say griego :) If I were a historian, which I'm not, I'm a historyscoper and don't have enough lifetimes to look through old trunks for letters and such, I'd concentrate on the time period and find why it was the gringos who first documented the use of the word against them in a racially heated way by Mexicans in 1849, as mentioned in Wiki.
So, is all this gringo waste of time a sign of your own anti-white racism? I bet you'll want to leave Mexico forever after your fellow Mexicans vote to join the U.S. and drop racism :) What about bilingual Mexicans who speak gringo talk? Should they no longer call gringos gringos because English isn't Greek to them anymore? I'll have them ask you :) Once you started descending to name-calling, you gave yourself away as intellectually oriented, but why do you keep failing to expose more of my "lies", which means I deliberately tell falsehoods that have no basis whatever, and aren't even mentioned as a theory in Wiki or anywhere else? :) Didn't you read my Historyscopa of Mexico yet, I bet it's got dozens more lies and you're just the man to expose them. Hurry, the world is waiting before Mexico makes a big mistake and goes with the Megamerge Dissolution Solution, maybe I should call it the Greek Dissolution Solution :)
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adela
04/28/2010 7:09pm
well..first of all i dont really care what you think and say i dont really know if you are against immigration or not...what i'm really tryen to say is that what would americans do without mexicans, crossing the border, what would they do with their homes would they be willing to get on their knees to clean a bathroom... would they clean after themselves...im saying is how come every where we go we see a mexican doing hard lavor that just pays them minimum wage... but what if they were all gone would americans be happy and move on with their lives having more jobs which they can depend on.. or they would make other minorities do the hard work.. so they can just sit back and enjoy them selves... i say we are never going to be able to stop immigration...the border for 1 doesn't help on anything is jst there and more mexicans know their way around it..wether they come by foot by plane or by see there is just not goning to be an end to it...but is just not mexicans there's eropeans asians japanese chanise and much more that come here "for a better life"....but that just me and i really don't mind as long as we get along... but who em i kidding basicly we all don't get along because we are poor we have too much money we are rich or we think different about life or we just dont have a good understanding of how the government works and how each one of of is represented...we can be there to represent but can we really know if they count our words do they care for the minorities as they care for their own good... this is just what I think...=)
Let me start off by saying that you probably won't like everything I have to say and probably won't print my comment, but it needs to be said.
I first read the MMDS on Wiki, I thought what a great idea. So, I googled it and came to this site and read for what seemed like hours upon hours and honestly, I didn't finish the whole thing because it is too long winded. I still love the idea but I don't really think it is in line with reality. While reading the article though, something about the tone was rubbing me the wrong way and I was thinking maybe the writer is an undercover racist in one form or another because of some of the things you were saying and how you were saying them. Then I figured maybe I was just being a bit sensitive or something and had total respect for T.L.W. I was reading all the comments and was utterly disgusted at some of the racist comments on there but I was more interested in the way T.L.W. accused everyone of being racist (or more or less dumb if they didn't agree with his point of view), even if they weren't. Often when someone points the finger repeatedly, they are the guilty party! Whatever respect I did have is completely gone after reading what you wrote to Omar. To accuse all these others of being racist and meanwhile, calling a Mexican dude "taco breath" and shit. WTF?!? Oh, and I just love the thinly veiled accusations of him either lying about his name or being an undercover Muslim (sarcasm). Seriously, you cant be that stupid, can you? CAN YOU? Omar is a common name used by people of Hispanic origin. Here are some examples:
*Omar Bravo - an amazing Mexican soccer player. *Gabriel Omar Batistuta - former soccer player (from Argentina) *Omar Sivori - former soccer player (from Argentina). *Sergio Omar Almirón - former soccer player (from Argentina) *Omar Vizquel - baseball player for the san francisco Giants * Omar Mena - cuban - T&F Sprinter * how about Omar Rodriguez-Lopez of The Mars Volta??
I could go on but I won't. That is just a few of the many examples. Seriously, you should be feeling embarrassed right now. I understand being confused by it because I was when I first heard the name too (with Omar Bravo) and I was like WTF but I would never accuse someone of lying or being an undercover Muslim LOL. Anyway, I don't have a clue as the origin of the words you two are arguing about and frankly, I don't care. What I do care about and what concerns me is that someone proposing the MMDS under the guise of being totally against racism in any way, being (or at least appearing to be) a racist themselves. It makes one question the true motives for such a proposal.
I also take issue with the fact that you are insinuating that one is racist if one doesn't agree with ILLEGAL immigration and thinks that illegals should be deported and made to apply legally to come here. I am all for immigration - I am a white American and my husband is an immigrant to this country - but I think it should be done legally, through the proper channels. I also feel that those who are ILLEGAL should be deported and and made to go through the proper channels. My husband and I paid out all kinds of money applying for him to come live here and everyone else should have to as well. Does that make me racist? NOT HARDLY, I am the least racist person I have ever known (and my husband is proof as he is brown). It is quite the opposite, I think everyone should get the same opportunity and should have to go through the same process. If one said they were against any kind of immigration, now I could understand that being seen as racist but not to say they should have to go through the same process as everyone else and if someone is a criminal, they should have to pay for their crime. Get real. I mean, it is called ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION as in NOT LEGAL.
Anyway, back to the MMDS. I love the idea itself of the merge, but I don't at all think it is as simple as you would like to believe. I am sure there are plenty of Americans who would love it (as I would) and Mexicans that would love it, but I am also sure there are probably just as many who would oppose it. There are some Mexicans who do have the anti-American sentiments and would never want to give up their own country. There are also some racist Americans that would never want the dissolution of borders. Now to whoever it was that said Mexicans wouldn't want to give up their culture...they wouldn't have to do all that. Mexicans who live here still have their customs and cultures. Look at the Italian-Americans or Irish-Americans, etc. that have never even lived in the land of their ancestors but still have the customs and cultures. Living elsewhere doesn't mean you have to give up your entire culture - that is crazy talk. Anyway, to say that everyone would agree on both sides is definitely over simplifying matters. If it were that easy, it would be a great idea! America would take a bit of a hit (economically) at fi
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Dave Finnigan
04/30/2010 1:53pm
TL
In the late 1960s and early 1970s there was a homegrown movement in the Philippines that had over one million signatures called "Philippine Statehood USA" suggesting that the Philippines should apply to become states of the US. When Marcos declared martial law this was the first organization he axed.
This is a great idea, but it needs to be initiated by the Mexicans and Canadians. Then we go along reluctantly, bringing all of North America into one nation called the United States of North America. The powerful US can't initiate this or it will be called imperialism, but just as Hawaii and Alaska came to the US with their request to become states, Mexico and Canada would need to come to us with their own request.
In order for us to accept them there just need to be the same sorts of guidelines that Hawaii and Alaska had to adhere to about the form of government and checks and balances, plus absolute division of Church and State or the Catholic church will try to turn back the clock to the past. Also we need to see that corruption has been minimized, human rights have been enhanced, and fertility has fallen to the replacement level.
Good for you for keeping the idea alive. Now go get Canadians and Mexicans to be the advocates, not Norte Americanos.
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Dave Davis
05/01/2010 2:16pm
I have a better idea. Why don't idiots like you just move to Mexico and leave America to real Americans. Evidently, you have no national pride or patriotism and don't care if you ruin America. You ideas are just plain stupid and will not work. Further, the vast majority of Americans do not approve of yoyr ideas. However, let enough illegal aliens come in and sooner or later they will be the majority. They can't run their own country and all they will do is put this country into the crapper. We are already headed there now and we need to stop it not speed it up. People like you think that America should be some dumping ground. Well, the rest of us don't agree. Like I said, if you don't like America...leave !
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Martin del Campo
05/04/2010 11:51am
I am Mexican, and I speak for myself only. I wear no colors and will not wear anybody else’s colors unless they represent, in a true way, the People. As far as I can see, the US does not represent us the people and the Mexican Government for sure does not represent us, their people. I am all for merging as human beings as this is our planet and we should be able to live together in total respect of each other’s beliefs . The USA is a melting pot and so is Mexico, in Mexico we have U.S. Citizen colonies within our Mexican cities and I never hear anyone comment any type of racist remarks against them, on the contrary we live side by side in harmony and they are accepted as we are accepted by them too. Mexico has Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, etc etc different ethnicities living in our country, and they are all well accepted. Like I said I’m all for a megamerger….”Mi Casa es su Casa” Bienvenidos. Diversity is beautiful, we can learn so many things from one another, we just have to respect each other. I will provably never see this megamerger take place, but whenever it does take place, please don’t bring any more CORPORATIONS UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO CO-OP CORPORATIONS so that they may share the wealth with everybody. Leave your Mortgage and Bank Scams in the past, never to be known of again….We The People, don’t like this in Mexico and I’m sure that your People don’t encourage this also. Oh!! Also, please, we the people want no war, we want peace for all. I know War is a big business but we don’t want any part of it as we are a peaceful nation and we have no enemies, why do you have so many enemies? Well, we don’t want to create enemies just friends. There are good and bad things about both our cultures, lets sort them out, respecting each other. Stop the Ranting on both sides. After all it should be in our best interest to live in peace with each other, we are neighbors, human beings. Ready to tear down the walls? Bring it on….Mi Casa es su Casa, just leave all the BS out and help us clean it up by shoveling the rest of the BS out of here.
@ TL Winslow….If you need a translator, I’d be more than glad to help my neighbor.
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TL Winslow
05/04/2010 12:13pm
Mi casa es su casa - very good philosophy, sorry I didn't mention it, and I thought I was perfect :)
I am still waiting for the first U.S. congressperson to officially endorse it, or for the first major U.S. media to even mention it, but after awhile I hope to see it mentioned by Mexican media and politicians too, and start the ball rolling. I think most people are basically decent and will embrace it as the decent thing to do, and only the corrupt politicians and fatcats who have their monopolies to lose will try to stop it, which will ultimately fail.
Yes, I need my article translated into good Mexican-style Spanish. If you want to, you're elected, just do it and email it to me and I'll check it out then post it.
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John Randolph
05/04/2010 4:59pm
So where does your program and its ideas stand now?
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Jose
05/04/2010 9:24pm
I am Mexican living in the United States since I was nine. I did become a U.S. citizen more than a decade ago. Currently I'm in my thirties. I have a B.S. degree in Electrical Engineering from SUNY at Buffalo and an M.S. degree in Computer Science from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. I love this country (USA) and I will fight to protect it if I have to.
Now, regarding your ideas about the mega merger: It is a very interesting idea and I enjoyed reading it mainly because of its entertainment value and to see the response it gets from Mexicans and Americans alike. I do believe I speak for a great majority of Mexicans when I tell you that most would oppose something like this, including myself. And believe it or not the ones that will be specially opposed to it are those Mexicans residing here in the USA. As much as I love the USA I also love Mexico. I feel blessed to be part of two cultures, American and Mexican. Bottom line is that Mexicans would never opt in to become part of the United States. Most Mexicans are even more patriotic then Americans are with their own country.
Regarding the Mexican problems, yes, it has a lot of problems. But I do have faith that Mexico will eventually become a super power (laugh if you want). The signs are there. The one party rule by "El PRI" for more than 50 years has ended. For the first time in its history the Mexican government is truly making an effort to fight corruption and drug trafficking. By the way, were it not for the incredible thirst that the United States has for drugs that would be one less problem for Mexico. You can call me racist or whatever but the Mexican people will not willingly give up their country. The US will have to invade Mexico to get it. There, a perspective from an Americanized Mexican that loves America but also loves Mexico, its mother country, just as much.
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T.L. Winslow
05/04/2010 9:55pm
Jose: You feel blessed to be part of two cultures, American and Mexican. So how does that work? You hold dual citizenships? I bet you only hold one. That's the problem. Once Mexico megamerges with the U.S., that's all everybody will have to hold. If your loyalties are divided between two sovereign nations, you have no nation, but when it comes to the U.S. and Mexico, they're such long-time next-door neighbors that nativism and nationalism are pointless, and can even be unhealthy, I don't want to go there, how about you? Mexico doesn't have to be its own nation, it can be a region of the U.S. and have the best of both cultures. Up till now it's been El Norte that snubbed it, and if I can get it to the stage where the Mexican people get to vote on it, I'm not against all Mexicans, even those who are U.S. citizens from participating, so I hope you will change your mind when the time comes. If they vote it down it will be their biggest mistake, but like Puerto Rico they can vote on it again after seeing how things develop, such as your pipe dream that Mexico will become a superpower :)
Ciao,
TLW
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Jose
05/04/2010 10:44pm
I hold only the US citizenship. I will apply for the Mexican citizenship when I need it so that I can have both. Maybe never if I never need it.
What you are proposing may eventually happen but not in the manner you suggest. Mexico will eventually rise from its third world status to be at the same level of the USA, a super power. At that point since they all have the same economic level Canada, USA, and Mexico may form a union just like the European Union as long as it is in their best interests. Several hundred years latter people will be so used to traveling between these three countries freely that for all intents and purposes it will be like one country until it finally becomes one country, all with equal power as three major states. That is somewhat plausible.
Your way it just won't happen.
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TL Winslow
05/05/2010 9:09am
Jose: Several hundred years? Sorry, but your way is the way it won't happen. You sound like a Texian back in 1848 saying that their Republic of Texas will become a superpower equal to the U.S. and will join an American Union with it and Canada, and you know what happened to Texas, U.S. state #28. Canada become equal to the U.S., with 10% of the pop. and little land for growing crops? Mexico become equal to the U.S., with a per capita income of 25%, a govt. that's virtually a criminal enterprise, and millions fleeing over the border to the U.S., where the failure to megamerge will ultimately make them have to choose who to be loyal to, the acceptance of U.S. citizenship requiring disavowal of Mexican citizenship, so that maybe one day they could be drafted into the U.S. military and be ordered to shoot at Mexican troops or Mexican illegal immigrants or face treason/mutiny charges? My way is the only way to avoid endless problems, sorry, your way is no way, it's as conflicted as you are. Did your parents originally sneak over the border illegally then enjoy the Reagan amnesty, and now you even have a college education? Maybe not, don't tell me it doesn't matter, but don't you feel a mite guilty at abandoning your compatriots? How do you know they even want you back? You don't like the megamerge idea? So you want the border sealed off, from one or both sides? I believe there should be no border, so that people like you can travel freely sans passport and use your skills to build up the backward territory, but only after it's prepared properly politically, which is what my plan does. The alternative is endless injustice and tragedy, sorry, not a superpower Mexico, start a comic book series I think you've got a bestseller :).
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Jose
05/06/2010 12:11am
Well, I guess we'll see in 50 years. That is how long I think it will take mexico to approach a first world economic level. What is happening in Mexico right now is just the storm before the calm. When there is radical change there is always huge turmoil. I think you might have misunderstood, I'm not hoping Mexico merges with the USA in the future. I think it is fine just the way it is. All I said was that it was possible in the manner I suggested.
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MCabral
05/10/2010 4:28pm
My Brother,
First of all I want to say that your intentions are good, and you have all my respect for being an American that knows there is something outside their state.
I was born in Mexico and lived there for 19 years before I came to college here in the US with a full athletic scholarship. I love all the opportunities this country has given me however I think you have a misconception of my country and specially of my people.
You talk about us like if you knew what it was to live in Mexico but you contradict yourself by implying that Mexicans want to be part of the US! I thought you were joking with the proposal but it sounds like you are 100% serious so here are some things I would like you to keep in mind to continue your project.
- This is something that cannot be done in a couple of weeks, it's not as simple as you think it is. It would actually take years so my first advice is for you to go to Mexico and leave there. After 3 years you will read your "Solution" and change most of it, unless of course you spend all your time in Mexico blogging or writing about how to SuperMegaMerge the Solar System.
- Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world, give it a try! Learn it and do a better research about Mexico. You need both sides of the story. Like I said, it takes years for a change like the one you propose to occur so you have a lot of time :)
- What makes you think we want to be Americans? A UNION could be a better solution but a Megamerge? Lol give it a try, ask the 100+ million Mexicans what they think about being US citizens and you will be surprised on how mistaken you are! Like I said, your intentions are good but your approach is selfish.
- Last but not least, I cannot take your "solution" serious because you call yourself "the World's Greatest Genius". That tells me that you think you are better that what you really are. Try names like, "TLW a visionary", "TLW a man with good intentions" or "TLW, the World's Most Naive Human Who Thinks he's a Genius". Nobody likes liars, and that's what you are doing.
Don't take anything personal, I think that you have a good heart my brother but this is not as simple as you make it sound, unfortunately. But keep dreaming! I'm happy that you want to make this world a better place. Peace
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Jim Hudson
05/12/2010 12:26pm
I have read your Megamerge proposal in all of its interesting prose. Though the internet was not invented, this has been a proposal of mine since the late 70's - and everyone thinks I'm either joking or a kook.
You are getting the same response.
Don't let them fool you.
I would agree with an earlier comment that many Mexicans would find it an insult to be "merged" - even willfully. That is why I believe it will need to be done in a hostile manner. Some pretense, perhaps. As was the war in 1848.
My suggestion would be to rouse the American rabble over the drug/violence issue (completely duplicitous, of course), then attack.
As a Texan, and friend of many Mexicans both legal and illegal, I believ that Anglo migration southward would be fast and overwhelming.
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TL Winslow
05/12/2010 12:42pm
Jim:
Yes, I figure that the Mexican govt. will be against a megamerge even with immunity offered because it will spoil their great money-making money-laundering criminal enterprise, and they will even put up front Mexicans to sow a story about now "wanting" to megamerge despite it being the greatest thing that could happen to them, duh, read some of the preceding posts. And yes, the U.S. military might have to back a megamerge by invading and disarming the Mexican military. That said, the ultimate end has to be the happy incorporation of 100+ million new U.S. citizens sans grudges, so there must be a majority who want it, which is why I prefer a referendum first. Instead the major media snub me, perhaps after secret pressure from the Mexican govt., which remains the Invisible Elephant via its sweetheart deals with the U.S. establishment. The racism on both sides doesn't help either, although ironically gringo racism could cause an unstoppable push to do it without the consent of the Mexican people for global strategic reasons, which isn't the way I want it to come out. To paraphrase Rodney King, why can't we just all learn to get along and share the New World as long as it's under our rules, the great U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, not the crummy Mexican Constitution and Bill of Rights Only for the Mexican Rich? If I could just get one major media to plug my proposal, even while dissing it, and get it to 1 million views, I know it will become a sea change in the debate and lead to good things. So, who do you know? :) Ciao. TLW
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Kike-el-Yuca.
05/15/2010 12:09am
Friend, !!!God!!, I don't know where to start.
Clearly I can see that your intentions are good, and I hope that until the day you die preserve such ideas and intentions.
But as Mexican I have to tell you that your proposal is rude. What I understood from reading your argument is that Mexico is a shit hole which must be evaporated from the earth to join the American Paradise, the perfect government of world peace.
Mexico is not Burundi, Somalia or Nepal. Mexico is the 14th richest country in the world, is among the five most bio-diverse countries in the world, home to ancient cultures inherited by their citizens through the blood and customs and with an HDI higher than European countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro and Russia.
Also you show a lack of respect by proposing the creation of 10 states in order not to offset the votes in your country, first in Mexico's votes are counted vote by vote, not by states, so we little care about the imbalance of your outdated voting system.
Secondly, Mexico has ancient historical roots lot more than the U.S., and from there take many of the names of the states. "New Texas" and the others there never will be, do not forget that we baptize the old Texas and California, oh yeah, also Florida, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, all Spanish names, oh and New Mexico for God sake, do I have to explain??
In case you didn't know, the eagle of the Mexican flag represents the creation of the Aztec empire, don't you believe that has more meaning than a bunch of stars packed into a box? (with all respect to your flag).
If you really want your idea is respected by the Mexicans, you begin to respect the Mexican roots, its history, the names of their states (as Hidalgo and Morelos were those who gained independence of California, Texas and all the stolen territory) and don't put the country as a parasite to be exterminated.
I repeat, I know that your idea is well intentioned, but unfortunately, this superiority complex that many of your compatriots and as you show in your text implying that the U.S. would be the savior for fucked Mexico, is doing to Mexicans now instead of thinking about your idea, are working in a union with Latin America as you may have read in a newspaper (Community of Latin American and Caribbean States).
I advise you to change the tone of your text to attract more fans and please do not propose stupid names for your imaginary 10 states to will never be and better propose disappear states in your country too that we both know you have many states that are good for nothing. Chau Saludos :D
sorry in advance for my mistakes in English, as you imagine Spanish is my native language.
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John Randolph
05/17/2010 8:58am
TLW,
You have wonderful ideas expressed through a "balloon boy" ego.
Your ego is not an asset. You come across like you think you are the second coming of Jesus Cristo.
People won't buy into your egoic pontifications no matter how important or much truth there is in your message.
Do you have any well founded, established organizations on board? If so, who are they? If not, then get some!
Are your ideas of helping Mexico and the US actually more important to you than your ego?
I think not. Unfortunately, as long as they are not, you are wasting people's time.
The titanic that is Mexico needs action, not a bunch of ego gratification.
If you are serious, then cut the BS and get serious. Get people on board who will bring about the change you envision.
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Clark
05/17/2010 7:30pm
Dude, I'm going to explain something, because among the many senseless things you say in your text, one caught my attention in particular.
Cinco de Mayo you propose, is an important date only in the Mexican state of Puebla. That's where Mexico defeated the French army during the French invasion, and YES it is true that at that time was the most powerful army in the world and was defeated by the poor Mexican but the date is not even a national celebration.
3 Mexico's most important dates are September 16 (Independence Day), November 20 (Mexican Revolution) and the day of the dead, November 2.
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JRM
05/20/2010 1:54am
Geez, I can't believe I wasted an hour plus reading over your blog and the comments, especially that last one from Hudson (Man, you really did sound non-kook-like right up until that thing about taking over Mexico by force--please tell me in the after-life that you were just being incompetently sarcastic!!).
What a waste of time! But, by all means, continue hashing out the finer points of your vision within your vortex of ignorance + arrogance. (Have you ever even been to Mexico, Winslow? And no, a 5 hour trip to Tijuana or Puerto Vallarta--from a cruise ship--doesn't count.)
Your anti-Catholicism/a-religiosity is apparent, and that alone would doom your "brilliant" idea (relative to the population of Mexico).
Wow--really, I could say a lot more, but why bother. Clearly you're too far lost within your own thought experiment to be persuaded.
Yeah, and no doubt if you waste more time responding to my criticism, you'll just chalk it all up to me being a racists in some way--this seems to be a theme in your responses to comments.
One last thing, though, before I finally pull myself out of this mental tar pit. While I love my country, the United States of America, and all of the things that define us as a decent, generous and prosperous nation, this blog seems to me to be yet another example of the arrogance of U.S. citizens, arrogance that is directly born out of ignorance of foreign cultures. Thank You so much for giving more credence to this stereotype.
...going back to the real world now, JRM
P.S. Here's a suggestion for you. Why don't you learn enough Spanish to translate your blog yourself? Maybe you'll learn something valuable in the process aside from just another language.
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emdc
05/22/2010 2:46pm
The only way the megamerger would ever take place would be through this.
http://www.ussf2010.org/about
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g. jones
05/25/2010 6:32am
This is the most idiotic idea I've ever heard! Exactly, what does the U.S. gain from this? Hoards of unskilled laborers and huge additions to our entitlement programs - that's what!
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Maria
05/27/2010 12:57pm
One thing to remember is that the USA built its empire on the back of black slaves and by pretty much killing or removing by force all the native americans from their land and finally by stealing large chunks of land from Mexico. That is how USA has been able to keep the momentum of their progress going. Not a very proud history to tell you the truth. Thanks but no thanks. I rather my Mexico stays as is. We do not need American's that will completely kill or enslave a race when it suits them. Empires come and go. The American empire will not last forever and will eventually fall, just like the Roman empire. Mexico is the new rising power.
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JRM
06/05/2010 3:04am
Hey Maria!
Hey, just wanted to let you know that my company is weathering this massively Insecure Economy just fine thanks to the two dozen or so slaves and nondocs (i.e. Mexican illegals) we have working in the back out of sight of the public. Man, without their anonymous contributions (i.e. grave sacrifices), we would've been out of business years ago. I mean, geez, it took some time, but we finally figured out how to leverage our human resources so that it was actually profitable to be in business (i.e. on the backs of slaves, like you said, Maria). I mean, who in their right mind would think that it's actually possible to grow the economy of an entire nation to a level of wealth well beyond RELATIVELY (<-- 'key word alert, if you can figure it out :-/') most other nations simply by competition? I mean, that's just absurd--of course you need to subjugate people to be profitable. Just look at Walmart--for the million plus people that work at walmart, yeah, they've got at least a few hundred thousand slaves working behind the scene doing the really profitable work.
Okay, come on Maria, I'm board already thinking in your world view. Really, I have to ask, how old are you? 17? 21? Please, for God's sake, don't say 30 something!
There is no country/land on Earth that does NOT have slavery in its history--the United States of America just happens to be one of the last AND also happens to have sacrificed 500,000 men over the conflict of slavery and the concept of state's rights during the civil war.
Also, there are more Native Americans alive today than when Europeans took over North America and every Native American has the benefit of being a citizen of the U.S.A., something that hundreds of millions of people around the world currently desire.
And why is that, Maria? Why does the whole damn wold want to come to the U.S.? For welfare? For government handouts? Nope! (by and large) They want to come here because they understand that in the U.S., nobody cares what the hell you do, nobody rats you out, nobody spy's on you, nobody will screw over your family because of how you look, or where you come from or what you believe. You can do whatever the F you want to do with your life here and nobody will bother you, because in the U.S., your life is YOUR business. And--news alert for Maria--most people want to improve their lives by way of honest work. And, not the government, not YOU, not anybody other than an individual knows better how to do that than a single person or family taking care of themselves free of government or public interference. This is why the United States of America is successful--built on the backs of people free to take care of themselves, their families and their communities. So please, all the Maria's out there, grow up! And come to understand the real nature of the the system of government that you benefit from, that provides you with such daily luxury that such sophomoric concepts about the nature of the U.S. can fester within your minds.
I don't mean to be a hard ass/jerk, but only by more Americans understanding concepts like this can we avoid loosing the special type of liberty that we have in the U.S.A.
Going back to the real world now, JRM
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Maria
06/08/2010 1:59am
JRM,
I'm won't deny that what you are saying is true today. I won't argue that. That was not always the case which was my point. The USA has been changing a lot but not willingly. Blacks made a huge contribution to the civil rights movement. Had Mexico been taken over originally by British immigrants like the USA I can assure you that there would be very little Mexican's with Native American origins. Probably a handful in some reservations. Thankfully that did not happen and over 60% of Mexicans have native american blood not thanks to your European ancestors. Mexico is also home to the biggest populations of 100% pure Native Americans (Americans in these case to mean that they belong to the continent of America). And you know what? They do not live in reservations. Also millions of them still speak their native dialects. Too me that is incredible and extremely valuable. Had your ancestors taken over they would've just wiped out everybody and start from scratch. Thanks but no thanks. I love Mexico the way it is.
You can hate it as much as you want but a lot of the initial momentum that the USA got when it comes to progress was initially because of slavery and then the theft of huge amounts of land. Only reason you guys don't continue to do this is because is no longer in you best interest. Of course, the wars being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan are purely for self defense reasons. Nothing to do with the huge chunks of oil involved.
Not everybody wants to go to the USA. The mexicans traveling to the USA are among the poorest in Mexico. The rest of Mexico has not desire to go to the USA.
So what was my original point? Ho yes, no need for USA to Merge with Mexico to save us. We really don't need a whole bunch of racists Americans in our doorsteps. Granted not all Americans are racists but there are enough of them. Also, I believe is really easy for things to go a la Hitler's way. Today your are "Helping us" tomorrow we'll be in concentration camps for our own good because we just don't know any better. No thanks.
Lastly, just because the USA is on the top today doesn't mean that that will always be the case. The USA will decline eventually.
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Kimberly
09/24/2010 7:35pm
I agree with you 100 %. Most people in this country live in a perpetual state of fear over the oddest things, unlike other countries where the cause of fear would seem more obvious. Anyway I don't want to get off topic here. Yeah, this would be a huge migration. Huge. It would be beautiful on so many levels. So where do we begin ? I m 46. What could I do now and for the rest of my life so maybe just maybe I will see this happen.
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Hi. I set this blog up after releasing my Megamerge article so people can discuss the pros and cons with each other as well as me. I know, it was set up on Cinco de Mayo, call it a coincidence :)
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